The ordinary Jo is struggling to put bread on the table whilst these greedy people just rake in what they can. All this happenings is KARMA for the stupid CECA agreement..keep it coming.
Me thinks there is a battle royale going on within the Singapore goverment (PAP) factions. Lots of blood and dirty linen to be spilled and aired in the months to come.
A "little birdie" says Cristina Fu in an unguarded moment let slip something to a friend in London that led to a small "spot fire" turning into a "raging infernno" leading to her hubby being targetted by the CPIB.
Ultimately, and it is only speculative at this juncture, this investigation against Ong is an extension of the on going tug of war within the House of Lee since the old man's passing.
Siblings Lee Hsien Loong and his erstwhile brother Hsien Yang and Hsien Yang's wife Suet Fern have been engaged in a war of attrition since the senior Lee's death. It is widely believed Ong Beng sided with the older Hsien Loong over a decision by Hsien Loong over Kuan Yew's will which left Hsien Yang and his wwife embarasssed and angry. They eventually left Singapore for Hong Kong.
Its certainly not the end of the affair. Hsien Loong ought to have come down hard on regime change which his government had willingly become part of in the region. Hsien Yang is said to have courted open societies and other advocates of "regime change" in the region which Hsien Loong failed to check at the height of the 1MDB affair. (post script- open societies is part of that "shadow government" that has long been in operation in the US and from there to various other countries funded and driven mainly by the Democrats to destabilize non complaint governments abrroad).
"“You can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbors. You know, eventually those snakes are going to turn on whoever has them in the backyard.”- Hillary Rodham Clinton
I'm sorry but what you say are very dangerous and serious allegations. You are insinuating that Lee Hsien Yang has been courting what you describe as "open societies" and other advocates of "regime change".
First off, what do you even mean by "open societies"?
Second off, is what you described about LHY's "courting" presumably to conduct regime change in Singapore and overthrow his older brother Lee Hsien Loong? Last I checked Singapore still at least bothers to portray itself as a democracy with a free one man one vote system.
Democracies have it baked into them the very idea of regime change, except it is through peaceful means of a freely taken and popular democratic vote. If you have issues with what you claim LHY to be courting "advocates of regime change", do you believe that Singapore is 1) under a "Lee Regime", and 2) should always stay under the "Lee Regime" in one shape or form?
Me thinks you protest too much. The issues raised are serious indeed. Democracy is not simply about one man one vote. It goes far beyond that. Free speech and the right to freedom of assembly are also critical elements of 'democracy'. Singapore is far from being a democracy in this sense.
"Regime Change" referred to in the context of this particular thread is the kind of change that has little or nothing to do with democracies or democratic forms of change. In fact it is the very antithesis of democracy and the idea of change "one man one vote".
What I see it as is something closer to the Maoist ideology of change like the "cultural revolution" that he inspired initiated and executed in China decades ago in China, rather than what it is you describe here as being part of democratic change, an inevitable function of democracy ( a la Singapore's model).
Regime Change is disruption unleashed to destroy the old and "let a 1000 flowers bloom".
By the way it is interesting that you deal with a subject that is "dangerous" in its content which makes me wonder if you were paid to write the article in the way you have. That is if you are the same Andy Wong as the author?
I am the author of this piece yes. I was not paid to write it. John can attest to that.
Understand about your point regarding democracy going beyond one man one vote and including such things as free speech and assembly etc. Agree that Singapore is far from being a democracy despite having some of the trappings of one. As for everything else you raised, I'm not knowledgeable enough to give a rejoinder answer to them so I'll just leave it at that.
On a belated point which I must now raisee with you, you say you were not paid towrite the article. Are you writing for free. Are you a political 'volunteer' then?
Mr kumar, i was mistaken. our practice is to pay our writers, i had not yet asked wong for his bank details and i assumed we would pay him. He has written for us on a voluntary basis. However, i can vouch for the fact that he is not acting for any non-state actors. he is a graduate student in the UK
Mr. Berthlesen, I think we ought to leave this "storm in a tea cup" thats turning out to be a tempest, complete with all of the attendant denials and contradictions that accompany it.
It makes a farce of Mr. Wong's outbursts and his credibility and that of your publication's as well. It was not my intention to get under anybody's skin or defame them or draw anyone into a hole of their own digging. But his responses are worthy of the Singapore government's style of dealing with criticism and honest inquiry and does no one any good.
Andy lacks the very basics of what a journalist should be possessed of. Quintin Rosario? well well. I am tempted to pass this on to him.
Debate is so much better than denial.
And from Mark Twain: "Denial ain't that river in Egypt.
The ordinary Jo is struggling to put bread on the table whilst these greedy people just rake in what they can. All this happenings is KARMA for the stupid CECA agreement..keep it coming.
Me thinks there is a battle royale going on within the Singapore goverment (PAP) factions. Lots of blood and dirty linen to be spilled and aired in the months to come.
A "little birdie" says Cristina Fu in an unguarded moment let slip something to a friend in London that led to a small "spot fire" turning into a "raging infernno" leading to her hubby being targetted by the CPIB.
Ultimately, and it is only speculative at this juncture, this investigation against Ong is an extension of the on going tug of war within the House of Lee since the old man's passing.
Siblings Lee Hsien Loong and his erstwhile brother Hsien Yang and Hsien Yang's wife Suet Fern have been engaged in a war of attrition since the senior Lee's death. It is widely believed Ong Beng sided with the older Hsien Loong over a decision by Hsien Loong over Kuan Yew's will which left Hsien Yang and his wwife embarasssed and angry. They eventually left Singapore for Hong Kong.
Its certainly not the end of the affair. Hsien Loong ought to have come down hard on regime change which his government had willingly become part of in the region. Hsien Yang is said to have courted open societies and other advocates of "regime change" in the region which Hsien Loong failed to check at the height of the 1MDB affair. (post script- open societies is part of that "shadow government" that has long been in operation in the US and from there to various other countries funded and driven mainly by the Democrats to destabilize non complaint governments abrroad).
"“You can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbors. You know, eventually those snakes are going to turn on whoever has them in the backyard.”- Hillary Rodham Clinton
I'm sorry but what you say are very dangerous and serious allegations. You are insinuating that Lee Hsien Yang has been courting what you describe as "open societies" and other advocates of "regime change".
First off, what do you even mean by "open societies"?
Second off, is what you described about LHY's "courting" presumably to conduct regime change in Singapore and overthrow his older brother Lee Hsien Loong? Last I checked Singapore still at least bothers to portray itself as a democracy with a free one man one vote system.
Democracies have it baked into them the very idea of regime change, except it is through peaceful means of a freely taken and popular democratic vote. If you have issues with what you claim LHY to be courting "advocates of regime change", do you believe that Singapore is 1) under a "Lee Regime", and 2) should always stay under the "Lee Regime" in one shape or form?
Me thinks you protest too much. The issues raised are serious indeed. Democracy is not simply about one man one vote. It goes far beyond that. Free speech and the right to freedom of assembly are also critical elements of 'democracy'. Singapore is far from being a democracy in this sense.
"Regime Change" referred to in the context of this particular thread is the kind of change that has little or nothing to do with democracies or democratic forms of change. In fact it is the very antithesis of democracy and the idea of change "one man one vote".
What I see it as is something closer to the Maoist ideology of change like the "cultural revolution" that he inspired initiated and executed in China decades ago in China, rather than what it is you describe here as being part of democratic change, an inevitable function of democracy ( a la Singapore's model).
Regime Change is disruption unleashed to destroy the old and "let a 1000 flowers bloom".
By the way it is interesting that you deal with a subject that is "dangerous" in its content which makes me wonder if you were paid to write the article in the way you have. That is if you are the same Andy Wong as the author?
I am the author of this piece yes. I was not paid to write it. John can attest to that.
Understand about your point regarding democracy going beyond one man one vote and including such things as free speech and assembly etc. Agree that Singapore is far from being a democracy despite having some of the trappings of one. As for everything else you raised, I'm not knowledgeable enough to give a rejoinder answer to them so I'll just leave it at that.
On a belated point which I must now raisee with you, you say you were not paid towrite the article. Are you writing for free. Are you a political 'volunteer' then?
Mr kumar, i was mistaken. our practice is to pay our writers, i had not yet asked wong for his bank details and i assumed we would pay him. He has written for us on a voluntary basis. However, i can vouch for the fact that he is not acting for any non-state actors. he is a graduate student in the UK
Mr. Berthlesen, I think we ought to leave this "storm in a tea cup" thats turning out to be a tempest, complete with all of the attendant denials and contradictions that accompany it.
It makes a farce of Mr. Wong's outbursts and his credibility and that of your publication's as well. It was not my intention to get under anybody's skin or defame them or draw anyone into a hole of their own digging. But his responses are worthy of the Singapore government's style of dealing with criticism and honest inquiry and does no one any good.
Andy lacks the very basics of what a journalist should be possessed of. Quintin Rosario? well well. I am tempted to pass this on to him.
Debate is so much better than denial.
And from Mark Twain: "Denial ain't that river in Egypt.
he is being paid. we pay our writers. he is not a political volunteer. -- Ed.
Well Mr. Berethlesen thank you for the clarification.
Very interesting.
Take it from someone who spent a decade working in F1, a trip to the British Grand Prix at Silverstone is more punishment than perk! 😂
Not bad if wealthy enough to take a helicopter!
Very true!