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Written by Sam Campbell   
Thursday, 24 July 2008
Thailand and Cambodia rattle the war drums in an unlikely dispute over a Buddhist oasis of peace

thai-flagCambodia is appealing for the United Nations to intervene in the “volatile and tense” standoff over a disputed Buddhist temple on the Thailand-Cambodian border after Thailand refused to withdraw troops and rejected offers of mediation, Cambodian officials say.

The UN’s Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, is “closely following the situation” and is “concerned about the current escalation of tensions between the two countries, including the buildup of troops” according to an official UN statement. Ban called for restraint, urging a diplomatic solution.

Both sides have a considerable interest in fanning the flames of a long-running cultural dispute in a region where border disputes have been largely solved—unless political considerations reawaken them. Cambodia is in the throes of preparing for an election on Sunday, with otherwise disheartened opponents of Prime Minister Hun Sen attacking him for his handling of the situation, not to mention his new emphasis on the Cambodian ownership of the 10th century temple, an architectural jewel.

In the meantime, in Bangkok, Thailand’s government, led by Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej, has been beleaguered for months by protesters demanding his ouster. Sovereignty of the Preah Vihear Temple has become a Thai hobbyhorse to power.

Addressing international diplomats, Cambodian VIPs and media Wednesday, Cambodian Foreign Minister Hor Namhong said Cambodian attempts to avert the crisis – including urging the withdrawal of troops on both sides of the disputed area, relocating border residents and a market further inside Cambodian territory and to setting up an Asean ministerial group to help resolve the standoff – have all been rejected by Thailand.

“In spite of our maximum restraint, in spite of our spirit of compromise, we have not received a positive response from the other side,” he said. The appeal to the UN was a last resort, Hor Namhong stressed, adding that the situation leaves Cambodia with only two choices: accept Thai occupation of Cambodian territory or to appeal to the UN Security Council. As to the first option, “who can accept that?” he asked.

Thailand seems to be preparing for a fight, he continued, with “thousands of troops, tanks and artillery” massing close to the border. “In the face of an imminent state of war, and a very serious threat to our independence and territorial integrity, we had the obligation to resort to the UN Security Council,” the minister said, adding that a request for an urgent meeting had been submitted Monday. He hoped the Security Council would convene to discuss the temple, known as Preah Viheah, early next week.

The US Ambassador to Cambodia, Joseph Mussomeli, yesterday expressed similar sentiments. “We have suggested to both sides that troops not be augmented. When you have that many young men, with that many weapons, in that close proximity, there’s always a danger of violence,” he told reporters. “We remain hopeful that this thing will be resolved bilaterally. It would be better it this could be resolved in Asean.”

During his address, Hor, the foreign minister, repeatedly referred to Thailand’s obligations under international law and criticized their lack of officially endorsed maps. Cambodia is using maps agreed by the French government and Thailand (then known as Siam) in 1908 and subsequently endorsed by the International Court of Justice in 1962, he said, which that show the temple as being 700 meters inside Cambodian territory.

In contrast, “Thailand drew their own map,” he noted.

Official demarcation was further discussed by Pen Ngoeun, secretary of state for the Council of Ministers, at another press conference yesterday afternoon. Maps based on the 1908 French-Siamese agreement and the 1962 International Court of Justice ruling were passed out, the disputed temple shown clearly inside the Cambodian border with a red dot.

Thai King Chulalongkorn, also known as Rama V, signed off the 1908 agreement, noted Information Minister Khieu Kanharith. The Thais later reneged on the deal, he added, spurring then-King Norodom Sihanouk to bring the dispute before the International Court of Justice in 1962.

The situation at Preah Vihear remains tense.Cambodian soldiers stationed in the disputed area have orders to fire “in self-defense only,” Khieu Kanharith said. However, he warned that “Cambodia is a sovereign state and we need to defend our country.”


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written by Khmer Son in USA(David) , August 13, 2008
I want to make friend to any neigbers,but neigbers don't make friend with us back.
If Siems want to make war I want to know how strong they are? Khmer got enough exprienced about fighting.If Siems want to fighting with us, go ahead I'm ready to protect my father homeland.
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written by CSAJ , August 13, 2008
This is to inform that Cambodian Students Association in Japan (CSAJ) decided to boycott products and services made by or in Thailand . This decision is to respond to Thai invasion into Cambodian territory and Thai government’s dishonest statement and action.

CSAJ would like also to request all Cambodian students in Japan to boycott Thai products and services. In this regard, Cambodian students in Japan should avoid Thai restaurants, Thai clothes, Thai airports, and Thai airlines if possible.

CSAJ shall continue to boycott and request all Cambodian students to boycott Thai products and services until the Thai troops withdraw from Cambodian territory.
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Khmer love Khmer
written by khmer students , August 13, 2008
We are students, we are not soldiers. That is what we can do to have Khmer united. We want to encourage Khmer people locally and Khmer people who stay abroad also. It shows the world as well as neighboring countries that wherever we are, we always think of our lovely Cambodia. We will do all ways not in order that even one small piece of our land wont loose.

Our purpose of demonstration:
-Thai troops must be out of Cambodian territory
- Thai must accept map recognized internationally
- Map done unilaterally by Thailand wont be accepted

Therefore, please be informed as Khmer love Khmer. And if you all have time, please consider like this also in other countries where there are Khmer students or people.
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Stop call thailand
written by Seam , August 13, 2008
All khmer stop call them thailand pls Call them SEAM you all know what seam mean to them (choul ha rooy)
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written by kun thai But Kun KHMER , August 13, 2008
What a jerk !! Preah Vihear temple belongs to Cambodia. It is too obvious even the international court of justice has ruled it for Cambodia. You thai ppl please wake up and don't act like a gangster or uneducated people who always forces to deal with problem !
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written by The kon khmer/Khmer lok , August 13, 2008
we should not call this invading with the name of Preah Vihear anymore, because the Preah Vihear temple is already belongs to Cambodia

this invading should is purely made by Thai, with their intention to take our land. The word Preah Vihear should not be used in the media.

this is the invading, purely an invading from Thais. because until today Thai got no intention to negotiate about the border issue, they said whatever they want, they change their position everyday, what they really want? it’s not to clarify the border problem but to invade into Cambodia territory with their tricks. the first 3 persons entered into the temple is also their trick to get reason to send troops near Preah Vihear.

we should not use the Preah Vihear to name their invading, it’s not the correct one. we should call this is the Thai Invading into Cambodia territory. The case Preah Vihear is closed. do not follow their trick.

they invaded into Cambodia territory and after a while they said that land belongs to them. we should not let them come around that pagoda, we should not allow them to stay amount us. for sure we don’t want to make any war, but if they come in our territory, we have our duty to stop them. it’s out of questions to let them step into our land.

now they came up with their fake map and they will not move back and said back to us to move back and share the benefit from Preah Vihear 40% to them.

It’s Cambodian’s land Thai Premier Minister! it’s not no man’s land like you quote.

you got no right to do that Thais, you make up everything and the world is watching you. and if we need to fight, we will fight you until the end to guard our land.

there’s no way you can take the land from us,

we, the Cambodia people will fight until the end and the world will condemn you and your people.
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stand and fight back
written by khmer soldier , August 10, 2008
if you thais want to take more of are land go ahead but we will fight back there is a lot of klhmer people in america that will go back to the homeland and fight for the motherland just to let you thai f**ks know
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written by ChineseThai , August 08, 2008
David Amaan:

It is now clear that war is no longer imminent. Now Tia Bahn and Cambodian troops have clearly intruded another Ta Muean Tom Temple in Surin of Thailand.

If you are convinced by Asia Sentinel's analyses, you are a fool. Check out what they wrote about Vietnam economy now and the reactions from some informed readers.

In conclusion, David, you are a true fool, no matter how you tried to scold me. Accept it, fool!

a guest:
Cambodia may be booming now but only in Phnom Penh and at tourist attractions much helped by foreign investment while Cambodians having little role in it. Much of Cambodia is even less developed than Lao in terms of electrification and road system. When foreign investors retreat, Cambodia will be hit hard.

The boom will not last long.
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written by a guest , August 05, 2008
Who doesn't know that Preah Vihear Temple belongs to Cambodia? Come on, be smart Thailand. If Cambodia fights
they will be fighting for their homeland. Cambodia is a small and poor country but the people are rich and strong minded. Remember the old proverb that says, "When Phnom Penh falls, Bangkok will melt. Battambamg will shatter and Angkor Wat will prosper."
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written by David Amaan , July 28, 2008
Most Thais think they know everything, but actually haven't a clue. Chinese Thai has shown us his lack of knowledge of English language (which is understandable). I have to question everything Thais say. They are never truthful or meaningful. It is all a question of them thinking "We are the best". They are such shallow people, generally speaking. Everything is built around their 'respect' for the monarch and their 'face'. they cannot see any way out of the problems that they have created for themselves.
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Gotta Save Face! Gotta Save Face!!
written by amused , July 27, 2008
This is what happens when you have face-obsessed teenagers as your politicians. But this is SE Asia, and that is what you get..

It all seems so childish.. The Thais obsess about saving face, even if it makes them look like complete fools overall. I suppose the Cambodians aren't much better.
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written by Chinese Thai , July 27, 2008
Only the Temple was awarded to Cambodia. That is why Sihanouk and his entourage could not use the main entrance, which is in the Thai territory, but must climb up the cliff to the Temple.

I have the photos, if you are interested.

Oz, you don't need to talk if you know nothing.
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written by oz , July 26, 2008
For those who think that the 1962 international court awarded only the Temple, not the surriunding area to Cambodia, are ignorant and they missunderstood the fact. What they should do is to look at the map, which was drawn and agreed to by the parties involved. It is laughable to claim what is not yours in the first place.
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written by Chinese Thai , July 26, 2008
Hanoi:

PM Samak has chosen a former top adviser to the Royal Court as the new Foreign Minister. We'll see.

That the Thai military can still not suppress violence in Southern Thailand has got nothing to do with their capacity to defeat Cambodia since the insurgency in the South is separately operated. It involves efforts to win hearts and minds from locals. In contrast, the Preah Vihear dispute involves a clear objective, which is to defeat any kind of invasion to protect Thailand's sovereignty.

Hanoi would need to think twice before any decision to back Cambodia militarily. The political and economic environment nowadays is different from the 70s and 80s. The Cambodian people along the border have been suffering enough from the conflict.

Had the Cambodian Government declared war, its arm force will be crushed mercilessly.

So Cambodia had better choose negotiation table for Thai-Cambodian mutual benefits.
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Cambodian Troops are Battle-Hardended
written by Hanoi , July 25, 2008
Thailand would be foolished to think its armed forces could fight Cambodian troops for a long duration. Right now, Thailand can barely handle a small insurgent group in the south; and the government have been asking for cease-fire for several times already. Thai's troops maybe better equiped with weapons, but Cambodian soldiers are battled proven. They know the fighting tactics and know how to survive. They have been fighting for years. PM Hun Sen also has very close relationship with Vietnam. Cambodia-Vietnam friendships currently are bonded. I would not be surprised to see Hanoi come to Cambodia's aid. After all, hanoi already came to Cambodia aid during Khmer Rouge era. Last week, Vietnamese military official was one of the first foreign officals to visit and conduct survey of current situation at Preah Vihear Temple. Surprise? No, not at all.

PAD Thai created this whole mess and put Thailand in shame. I think PM Samak does the right thing for Thailand, which is to remain friendly with its neighbors.
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written by Chinese Thai , July 25, 2008
Again, do not forget that Samak makes no secret that he is the proxy PM for Thaksin.

It is not a plain accusation.

MCOT
http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=1949

WASHINGTON POST
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/28/AR2008012801521.html
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written by Chinese Thai , July 25, 2008
PP:

It was my mistake - wrong use of wording. I meant to mean US, China, and Russia.

Check out the following websites, which are the gathering places of "Pro-Thaksin" and find out how these same group of people see the issue of Preah Vihear.

http://www.pantip.com/cafe/rajdumnern
http://www.prachatai.com/webboard/?room=1

They are in full support of Cambodia and Thaksin.
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written by PP , July 25, 2008
Chinese Thai, I've read your original post carefully again, like you asked. "All the 3 permanent members of the UN Security Council have stated..." means there are only 3 members. You should have written: "Three members of the UN Security Council" to indicate there were more than 3.

More importantly, re your latest post: what does being "pro-Thaksin" or not have to do with the whole issue? Thaksin had nothing to do with the flare-up in relations between Thailand and Cambodia. PAD was simply looking for an excuse to get at Samak. Whatever one may think of Samak and his sorry batch of losers in government, creating this giant hullabaloo over a non-issue by Thai chauvinists is a disgrace, which made them the country a laughing stock abroad.

Finally, it's fine you insist Preah Vihear is a Hindu temple. But then, all the less reason why Thai ntionalists (who are presumably Buddhists) should go ape over it, no?
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written by Chinese Thai , July 25, 2008
LATEST DEVELOPMENT:

Thailand, Cambodia to talk Monday on border dispute, not to bother UN
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/25/content_8764549.htm

This may disappoint a lot of people, including the Pro-Thaksin and many Cambodian sympathizing foreigners.
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written by Chinese Thai , July 25, 2008
France's position in this case is meaningless since Thailand has secured the backing from US, China, and Russia. The issue will be brought back to ASEAN-level forum. Nobody expects it to resolve in the near future but it is anticipated to fade away once Cambodian nationalism in the election campaigns is no longer necessary for Cambodian politicians to win the votes.
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written by Chinese Thai , July 25, 2008
PP:

I am not saying there are only 3 permanent members of the UN Security Council. I am saying 3 of the permanent members (US, Russia, and China) at the moment are not accepting Cambodia's request to bring the issue to the UN. Please read my post carefully again.

Well, Preah Vihear remains a HINDU temple, anyway. That there are both Thai and Cambodian monks going up there to meditate did not change its true purpose as a Hindu Temple. To be a buddhist temple or shrine, it must be officially registered as a "Wat". In both Thailand and Cambodia, monks/priests uses various tranquil sites as places for meditation.
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written by PP , July 24, 2008
No need to be snide, Chinese Thai, Preah Vihear is and has been a "Buddhist" temple in that it's been used as such by Buddhists, both Khmer and Thai. It may have been intended as a Hindu shrine by its builders, but has long since been arrogated for use in Buddhist practices (corrupted though they are, having been thoroughly adulterated with animism, shamanism, witchcraft etc. etc.).

Besides, you, too, need to get your basic facts right: there are 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council, not 3, like you claim. (France and the UK are also on it, as per the post-WWII settlement, which served as the basis for it.)

Incidentally, the whole bruhaha over the temple is truly ludicrous and is largely fuelled by a small group of Thai fascists who think nothing of creating a major international incident so long as they can rub the Samak government's nose into the whole sorry mess. Now we have Samak and his cronies on one side, Sonthi and his thugs on the other, and now Cambodia caught in the middle -- nice going there.

To awangkassim: Yeah, right, let's blame "western capitalists" for Asian bigotry and stupidity.
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STUPID ASIANS
written by awangkassim , July 24, 2008
Fight among yourselves and you allow western capitalism thrives. The more divided you are, the more you are 'colonised'.
STUPIDO..
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written by Chinese Thai , July 24, 2008
Asia Sentinel has no credit left. Last time it published Giles Ungpakorn's seriously flawed article. Now it says Preah Vihear is a "BUDDHIST" temple!!

Fundamental fact is Preah Vihear is a HINDU temple. It shows that MR.SAM CAMPBELL wrote this article without thorough research from the beginning. It is based on only "one-sided" secondary information.




To S.M. & Anti-War:

Thailand has not shown aggression first whatsoever. The U.S., China and Russia have launched an investigation into the incident. All the 3 permanent members of the UN Security Council have stated that this issue should be resolved within ASEAN and it is premature to bring this to the world stage like the UN.

This indicates that US, China, and Russia cannot easily be fooled by Cambodia.

According to the ICC, Cambodia takes sovereignty over the Temple only. The area and the mountains around the Temple remains in Thailand territory.

Cambodia will be defeated diplomatically and militarily at last and will pay a very costly price for its complacency. At least, Cambodians along the Thai-Cambodian border and the Cambodian tourist industry are suffering for her own act.

S.M. & Anti-War, you guys' comments are very laughable.
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Something is cooking
written by Anti-War , July 24, 2008
I am also disgusted at the Thai's govt.
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written by so so , July 23, 2008
You have friends that "will create nightmare for Thailand"??? Wow, what good and civilized friends you have..... I think Thailand should really be afraid of your friends.
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Preah Vihear Temple is Beginning of Thailand\'s Downfall
written by S.M. , July 23, 2008
Thailand aggression toward Cambodia will have serious repercussion. Thailand will boil with war in the south and violence in the heart of Bangkok. There are many Thais of Cambodian origins who are disgusted with Thailand current behaviour. I have friends who told me that they will create nightmare for Thailand, especially in Bangkok. This event will catapult Cambodian government to modernize its country military; and thus region will see military build up in the very near future. Cambodia is also North Korea closest allies. I would not doubt to see NK missiles stationed in cambodia pointing toward Bangkok. It is not too late for Thailand to retreat and maintain status quo. Both countires must salvage their relationships while they can. If not, ASEAN will be irrelevant organization. Cambodia will surely begin moderining its military as its oil and gas findings give the essential tool to proceed.

-S.M.
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