| Beijing Hardens Its Line |
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| Written by Willy Lam | |
| Friday, 11 April 2008 | |
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Beset by overseas demonstrations and trouble in its restive western provinces, China’s leaders retreat into mass mobilization
The Ministry of Public Security said in a press conference in Beijing Thursday that it had foiled attempts by two “terrorist” groups to disrupt the Olympics by means that include blowing up installations and kidnapping tourists and athletes in cities such as Beijing and Shanghai. Some 45 suspects were detained and 109.5 kilos of explosives seized in operations in January and April. Ministry spokesman Wu Heping claimed that one of the groups was connected to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which has been listed by the United Nations as a terrorist organization. Meanwhile, more protests were staged earlier this week in Tibetan communities in Yushu, southern Qinghai Province and in Xiahe, southern Gansu. A common theme of these demonstrations, organized by local lamas, was that Beijing authorities should let the Dalai Lama return to Tibet. In his press conference, the ministry’s Wu hinted that the campaign against anti-Beijing, anti-Olympics and other destabilizing elements had been extended to the entire nation. “We are facing a real terrorist threat,” Wu said. “All walks of life and the public should maintain a high degree of vigilance.” Wu gave no details on what ordinary Chinese should do. However, CCP commissars and propaganda specialists have launched a national “people’s warfare crusade” to thwart the supposed threats posed by “Tibetan and Xinjiang splittists” who are said to be in cahoots with “hostile anti-China elements overseas.” Political and diplomatic sources in Beijing say cadres in charge of organization and propaganda over the past week have disseminated the leadership’s instructions about a “people’s warfare campaign against terrorism” during ideological indoctrination sessions in party and government departments as well as at factories, schools and other units. Party members and ordinary citizens have been asked to report suspicious characters to the police and to raise their guard against “anti-China elements at home and abroad.” At a national meeting on “the comprehensive rectification of social law and order” held earlier this week, Politburo Standing Committee member Zhou Yongkang called on every citizen to stand firm against “destabilizing forces” in society. Zhou quoted President Hu Jintao’s recent dictum: “Maintaining stability is our unshirkable responsibility, our first responsibility.” Zhou, a former security minister called upon the people to work closely with police to turn over suspects and thwart efforts to disrupt the Olympic Games. “We must establish a law and order prevention and control network based on the principle of joint defense by police and the people,” Zhou said. Human Rights Watch China expert Nicholas Bequelin, however, has cast doubt on claims that there are concerted efforts by “terrorist” groups to target the Olympics. “Beijing has a long record of conflating dissidents, rights activists, and ordinary criminals with ‘terrorists’,” he said. Bequelin added that until the authorities could provide more detailed evidence on ETIM’s activities in Xinjiang, for example, there would be suspicions that the security ministry’s allegations were a form of political propaganda. Other China analysts have expressed alarm over the fact that CCP authorities have been cracking down not only on “terrorists” but also on dissidents and vocal NGO organizations. Beijing has recently slapped a three-and-a-half year sentence on internationally-known dissident Hu Jia in addition to clamping down on several NGOs that are fighting for the rights of AIDS patients. There is also evidence that the authorities have been stirring up nationalism – and xenophobia – so as to rally popular support around the “CCP leadership with comrade Hu Jintao as general secretary.” More than 250,000 Chinese have signed up on a web campaign organized by a popular portal to denounce the Western media’s alleged “distortion” of events in Tibet. In a press conference on Wednesday, a spokesman of the CCP United Front Department disclosed that since 2002 CCP officials have held six rounds of talks with emissaries of the Dalai Lama. Given Beijing’s Mao-style mass mobilization against “state enemies,” however, the chances for the resumption of such talks are slim. This is despite the fact that several major Western leaders including French President Nicolas Sarkozy have indicated their intention to boycott the Olympics’ opening ceremony unless Beijing restarts a dialogue with the Dalai Lama.
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 written by Bushwhacker , April 18, 2008
This shows the typical arrogance of the West to pick and choose their willing surrogates like Abbas of Fatah and Dalai Lama in the name of Democracy on their payrolls.
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BTW I just wonder how Mr. Abbas and DL can fund their subversive activities on the Palestinian and Chinese people when none of their constituencies are gainfully employed. Obviously the fund must be from the Western governments and CIA. The Western media produce distorted views for the audience at home, create internal conflicts abroad and keep the torches of their failed causes from flame out. report abuse
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First Bin Laden, now Hamas. BW, your heroes are the scum of the Earth. What did the Jews ever do to China, anyway? Was was Olympic Torch attacked in Jerusalem?
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Hamas is an anti-democratic group regardless of how many Palestinians voted for it. In any case, polls show that most Palestinians consider Fatah to be the legitimate government nowadays. report abuse
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Gee, BW, that's a lot of questions. I'd answer them if I thought anyone actually cared. But my sense is that you are trying to assign me busywork.
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written by Bushwhacker , April 17, 2008
History is always about Wars, Glory & Generals of Winners on the right side of victory. Otherwise the West will be speaking in German and the East in Japanese. The current DL is foolish going against the historical trend, and the Chinese can easily sanction the next Lama regardless of what sabotage and other heinous crime he carries out.
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 written by Tang , April 17, 2008
China should leave Tibet immediately. Let the Tibetans live peacefully in their own land.
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 written by Bushwhacker , April 17, 2008
Why talk of only Walloon and not the Basque in Spain and the Catholic in Londonderry? These people also live in a prosperous and demoncratic Europe but still fall bloody campaigns for their separate identities.
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 written by Bushwhacker , April 17, 2008
You hypocrite self professed lover of human rights of all sorts. Why don't you Westerner give him his birth rights as the Emir of Islam? BTW do you know that Europe is already Islamic in that there are more people attending Mosques than Churches. Why don't you also respect the democratically elected Hamas and other Islamic brotherhood democratic victories? Why do the Jews enslave Palestine with no human rights for half a century with WMD from USA?
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The Chinese only respect their and other sovereignty, If the Emir wants Xinjiang and other parts of Muslim China, he can and should. However he has to fight the Chinese because the Chinese government follows a different doctrine from your hypocrital West. report abuse
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Now that you've admitted to being a Bin Laden supporter, that certainly cuts through the BS. You're obviously not a Muslim or a supporter of Sharia law, so it's apparently just the killing Americans part of his agenda that appeals to you. Religious leader? If you think of him that way, perhaps China can set a good example by giving him Xinjiang.
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I find your comments about referendums to be mystifying. You might support a referendum in Tibet provided that it is rigged? What would be the point? This is a tacit admission that the CCP probably could not win in an honest vote, which was my original point. As I have already explained, I support the Tibetan cause as a way of fighting Communism and promoting democracy. Walloons are quite well-off, already live under a democracy, and can take care of themselves. report abuse
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 written by Bushwhacker , April 17, 2008
Osama bin Laden is recognised as the Emir of Islam by a significant proportion of the Ummah numbering over 1 billion. As comparison, Dalai Lama is only a spiritual leader to less than 6 million souls.
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Please respect the Islamic wish to establish the Kingdom as willed by God free from all sins on this world. They have the same rights to amputate hands for thieves as the Dalai Lama to own Serfs. Therefore respect his rights as the rightful Emir to establish is Jammat from the coast of Europe to China, report abuse
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 written by Bushwhacker , April 16, 2008
The Dalai Lama claims that he do not support independence. If Dalai decides to come back, perhaps the proper referendum for the Tibetan should be whether they wish to live under the current CCP autonomous system or revert to the combined Politico-theocratic system
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written by Bushwhacker , April 16, 2008
Tibetan serfs do not just contribute labour to the serf master. The serfs do not own any property and mean of production. Even the serfs are the properties of the masters and can be traded like animals i.e. talking animals.
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written by Bushwhacker , April 16, 2008
Will the following Europeans:
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a) Spain allows referendum for the Basque region b) France allows referendum for the Basque region, Southern Italian, Corsica, Alsace Lorriane c) Belgium for Walloon and Flemish region d) Hungarian minority in Romania e) Kurds in Turkey f) Turks in Bulgaria g) Scots, Irish, Welsh in UK h) German in Poland g) Sudaneen German in Czech The list goes on... and who will be responsible for the ethnic cleansing once the ethnic genie is out ot the bottle? report abuse
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written by Bushwhacker , April 16, 2008
Under the constitution like the US, China is an unitary and "indivisible" state. Tibet is a part of China teritory unlike Puerto Rico which is a US protectorate.
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Will the US allow a referendum for the "Blacks", "Native American nations", "Irish, Mexican, Latin, German etc. Americans" to form their own state? report abuse
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written by Bushwhacker , April 16, 2008
How do you accept results of referendum under a one party rule? For instant, Saddam Hussein got 99% of the vote. Will the West ever satisfied?
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Communists may see all social relations in class warfare terms, but the many Tibetans of all class follow the Dalai Lama on the basis of his religious status. "Serf" means only that Tibetan peasants traditionally paid taxes in form of labor rather than money. Under the commune system, the peasants lost their land and property and were slaves of the CCP. If CCP is so sure the "serfs" will vote for them, why not just hold a referendum on Tibet's status, as the U.S. has done several times in Puerto Rico?
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The Dalai Lama was 15 when the Chinese occupied Lhasa in 1951. He issued a democratic constitution in 1963 and the Tibetan government in exile has had been holding elections since 1990. report abuse
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written by Bushwhacker , April 16, 2008
If Dalai Lama accepts democracy, why did he side with the Upper class theocratic and autocratic classes to resist democratic reforms and maintain Serfdom over 95% Tibetans b4 he fled after failed uprising in 1959?
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Tibetans deserve the right to self-determination. All peoples are entitled to that, according the UN Charter. They should be able elect local leaders and make decisions democratically. The Dalai Lama accepted a democratic constitution long ago. Tibet has small population and is economically marginal. It's primary importance is as a potential model for the rest of China. Tibetans are fighting for rights of all Chinese.
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CCP supporters wants to talk about American Indians or the Yuan Dynasty. Should Tibetans be punished for something the U.S. or the Mongols did? report abuse
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 written by OT , April 16, 2008
Ahem....Bushwhacker.....,
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It may not matter, but er... Sarkozy's ancestry is er.... Hungarian.... report abuse
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'nuff said. If you think the Chinese are arrogant now, just wait a few decades!
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written by Bushwhacker , April 16, 2008
For a start, the fake frenchman Sarkozy could return to Poland.
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written by OT , April 16, 2008
Great idea Guest! Lets everybody stay out of everybody else's country
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 (Ahem....somebody define country for me please....and whose country is it anyway?) This is all so farcically funny.... report abuse
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written by Bushwhacker , April 16, 2008
It took the Chinese more than 5000 years to consolidate its current teritorial area and house the 56 ethnic peoples under its sun. In the last 50 years, all Chinese people enjoyed great material progress and opportunities. Serfdom was banished from the land of Tibet. Dalai Lama claims the Communist rulers caused Tibetan genocide. If you look at the genocides caused by his Western sponsors to Indian and aboroginal people in North America, Australasia, Israel etc, the Tibetan genocide must be ant bites by comparison
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 written by Guest , April 16, 2008
The fact that angry chinese nationalists keep spamming our websites, protesting our policies on our soil, is more than enough reason to deport the lot of you. Stay out of our country.
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 written by realist , April 15, 2008
If Israel is to Jews, then the American should all go back to where they came from and return American to the Natives. The first idea of a Jewish state came from the Balfour Declaration in 1917, Balfour being the British foreign secretary at that time. The Arabs were too weak, still under the British empire, to even make a noise on this. How many people know this? Not many!
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Israel was created in the 1950s, after the WWII by rich Jews purchasing land and then chasing the Palestinians away,and expanding. No doubt a few thousand years ago, it was Jewish land. So, someone should finance the native Americans to get back their land. And the white americans will in the same status as the Palestinians. Would America like that. report abuse
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written by realist , April 15, 2008
What about all the highly organised lies about Iraq? The west is even worse. Iraq is so far away from America and yet, it has all the territorial ambitions.
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So, USA and its allies must stink worse than the atomic bomb! report abuse
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written by realist , April 15, 2008
If you watch CNN, you can expect what to find. They will only report dramas, those that create a lot of drama and is a propaganda of the west. How much has these and some of the Western media report Tibetans burning cars and property in Lhasa and other cities. We see very little it for a reason.It is to propagate the view the Tibetans are been persecuted. That they have no religious freedom. Then, why are there so many monks in the region. Some claim that Tibet was and should be nation. If we go back to history,Texas belong to Mexico. America belong the natives Americans. In the dark days, the natives were hunted with rifles and their calvary literally like wild animals. Their land was taken from them, families killed with them. Now, the Western society is past that stage, they are imposing different standards. Same for Australia, they should give the land back to the natives.
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It is also a western conspiracy to encircle China, with India, who are not able to think independently, as pawn and accessory. They hope that an independent and weak Tibet will, with an excuse created, invite foreign forces. Just like Afganistan, and Iraq. China has been very tolerant. Tibetans are being harboured by India and using India as a base. Should China provide the base to those people in north eastern India, to use as base for their activities? Those part of north eastern India were never part of India until the British came and snatch it with their guns, and gave it on a plate to India. Myanmar almost suffered the same fate. report abuse
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Western nations admit their mistakes, China simply lies and kills more people in order to promote "harmony".
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China is a pile of fetid, stinking lies. report abuse
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 written by antiwest , April 13, 2008
KGB:
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Tibet is to Tibetans, as Israel is to Jews. --------- John Francis Lee ________ Australia is to the Aboriginals, the whole American continent is to the Native Americans, New Zealand is to the Maoris, Iraq is to the Iraqis(Yankees, get out!). This is the irony of the Westerners. They believe they are the only perfect high & mighty ones that can do no wrong and lecture the rest of the world in contemptuous manners. And some Western commenters actually believe most commenters here are mainland Chinese. Well, you are dead wrong, some of us here are actually NOT Chinese nationals but are equally fed up(pissed off) with you lot telling us how to run the country and how to behave. Your bullying tactics & spins(propaganda)to turn Asian countries into utter chaos so that you can continue to display hegemony over us for another millennium are doomed to fail! You really believe with your Western media propaganda machine you can pull the wool over our eyes? Just wait and see! We are going to expose the Western hypocrisy one by one to demolish your high moral ground in years to come. And the BBC (UK) actually has the nerve in their reply to criticisms from China’s readers that the Chinese are all fed with propaganda from their own government. That’s rich coming from a British propaganda institute. I am not a Chinese national and able to access most websites in the world and would still think the Western media are biased and have ulterior motives in their reports. How many of these foreign correspondents are CIA/MI6 implanted, we would never know! So, to the Chinese nationals, read foreign reports with care. Don’t turn your country into chaos. The percentage of good intention from western media is practically nil! Try and access western news websites and read the western readers’ pathetic comments and their knowledge of other country. It’s absolutely a laugh. They don’t even realise that they have been fed with Western propaganda all these years and have formed jaundiced views about the world. One reader (a Yankee) actually posted a comment in the UK Times news website about Chinese still wearing Mao suits and think communist system still exists in China- Stupid! In name only! How ignorant! Don’t trust western media without counterchecking with other sources. This applies to all Asians. Their modus operandi is to turn one Asian country against another. That’s how they keep their hegemony over Asia for centuries. And try not to insult the author of this article. There will always be traitors in our midst. They truly believe the western ideology and propaganda. I have lived in the West for a long time and got to know their deviousness, especially their governments. Wars in the less developed countries are what they crave for! report abuse
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I'm not surprised that Human Rights Watch sees no "concerted efforts by terrorists" to mess up the Olympics and goes on about China "conflates" threats.
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See http://www.zmag.org/content/sh...emID=13436 for insight into links between Human Rights Watch and the National Endowment for Democracy, basically a CIA cutout. Yes, there is enormous distortion of events. One Chinese contributor to Facebook noted that if Hu Jia was under house arrest, it may be a shame, but as her grandfather quipped, 20 years ago he would have been shot. China is changing for the better. All this negative hype is really, really not helpful to the world as a community of human beings. report abuse
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 written by antijihadist , April 13, 2008
Where in the Buddhist scriptures are written that monks can commit arson and premeditated killings? These Tibetan pseudo-monks should be defrocked and hanged for murder, in the same way jihadist mullahs are hunted down and eradicated by the West.
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 written by Liang1a , April 13, 2008
KGB wrote:
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Tibet is to Tibetans, as Israel is to Jews. So far the Tibetan Youth Council is campaigning peacefully for Tibetan rights. This murderous talk of hunting them down, will only escalate this to next level, Tibetan armed struggle. ------------------------- America is to the native Americans as Palestine is to the Palestinians. You want to give back America to the native Americans? I didn't think so. The Tibetan Youth Council has just killed 18 innocent Chinese and injuring hundreds of others in Tibet. 5 of the them were young girls burned to death. Obviously there is no compassion for these innocent victims. By all means. Keep attacking the Chinese. It will only make the Chinese more patriotic. And if you think you are accomplishing anything constructive for the benefit of the Westerners, you better think again. This is just s futile exercise for the Westerners because it will certainly not make Tibet independent. It will also not make the Westerners more popular in China. Nor will it gain any trade concessions. The only thing it will get the Westerners is an increased disgust and the understanding that the West will never be China's friend. And you can bet that will make the Westerners' life very hard in the coming years. If you think one USSR was a dangerous enemy, think about 10 USSRs eager to fight you to your last man. report abuse
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written by Liang1a , April 13, 2008
Anyone who mimics other's handle is showing his own low mentality. Show some guts and stand on your own two feet.
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 written by KGB , April 13, 2008
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Members of the Tibetan Youth Council ought to be hunted down and exterminated, just like what the Israeli Mossad is doing to Arab terrorists ------------------------------- Tibet is to Tibetans, as Israel is to Jews. So far the Tibetan Youth Council is campaigning peacefully for Tibetan rights. This murderous talk of hunting them down, will only escalate this to next level, Tibetan armed struggle. report abuse
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 written by Liang2b , April 12, 2008
There’s no point to analyze how China communist regime would do to protect its own survival. Remember Tiananmen Square massacre, no different whether you are Hans or Tibetans anyone who dare to oppose with the regime, machine guns is the respond. Just like the Nazis, communists know no bound. Talks all you like, but the fact is communists china in many ways still an evil force in this world, look at Sudan - Darfur, North Korea, Burma... these murderous regimes survive solely by China support.
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Forget about street protesting, start pressure your local law makers, bring in trade sanctions and do it yourself, avoid purchasing Chinese made products. report abuse
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written by Liang1a , April 12, 2008
mossad wrote:
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Members of the Tibetan Youth Council ought to be hunted down and exterminated, just like what the Israeli Mossad is doing to Arab terrorists and the CIA is doing to jihadists ------------------------------- This is the kind of straight talk that the Chinese people should listen to. This is righteous patriotism. Killing the enemy is protecting the motherland. All traitorous terrorst scums who want to split the motherland should be arrested and executed. Trying to be gentle and harmonious will only lead to even more heinous terrorist attacks and the loss of many more innocent Chinese lives. report abuse
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written by Liang1a , April 12, 2008
Overseas Tiger wrote:
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...many mainland Chinese can't stand the government and many of its numbskull officials, but it has delivered stability and prosperity for many, such that "its OUR China dammit and no pasty faced hypocrites are going to tell us otherwise". -------------------------------- While I generally agree with what OT have written, yet there are a few points that I like to comment on. It is obvious that the CCP government has made many Chinese rich, mostly in the foreign trade sector. But this has been done through the excessive devaluation of the yuan which has the unfortunate sideeffect of making the rest of the Chinese poor, especially the farmers. The poor farmers and the other urban residents who are not involved in the foreign trade have to subsidize those in the foreign trade. This means the wealth of those engaging in the foreign trade are sucked from the rest of the Chinese people. Please see my post "Subsidized exporters are parasites" whose link is given below: http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=238054&messageid=1105667800&lp=1107805397 The second point I'd like to comment on is the sentiment that it is "our China" on the part of the Chinese people. The truth is there is a big difference between China as a nation and the CCP as a political party. China is not CCP. Therefore, we can say it is "our China" but we certainly don't want to say it is "our CCP." For most the CCP is just like the emperor of old feudal China. It is only seen as an oppressive force that was more feared and detested than the tiger. While the Chinese people still love "China" the nation because it is our motherland wherever we go in the world, few love CCP as a political entity because it is incompetent and even traitorous. In its foolish attempt to "globalize" China, the CCP has succeeded only to traitorously sell out China to foreign aggressors. Especially to the US and Japan who had been two of the most aggressive and dangerous international imperialist thugs who have killed tens of millions in China and around the world. It is this stupid and traitorous act of joing the WTO and opening China to foreign countries to take over China's internal economy that has put China in the dangerous position where it can be bullied by foreign aggressors with impunity. The solution is democracy. Only when the Chinese people can take charge of the country can they force the government to implement laws to take China out of the WTO and ban foreign investments which only enrich a few well-connected Chinese engaging in the sell-out of the Chinese cheap labor and Chinese natural resources. And by concentrating on domestic advancement of technologies and domestic development of the internal economy which will benefit all Chinese people, China will surge ahead rapidly and become the sole ultra- superpower within 30 years. Then the Chinese will become the most admired people in the world and nobody will dare to look askance at them. report abuse
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Members of the Tibetan Youth Council ought to be hunted down and exterminated, just like what the Israeli Mossad is doing to Arab terrorists and the CIA is doing to jihadists
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written by Overseas Tiger , April 12, 2008
BTW J F Lee
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Trust me, the mainland Chinese are actually very good at looking out for the jingo propaganda juggernaut. Its practically a survival requirement. Its more a case of "it may be the devil, but at least its the devil I know" or somesuch. Just as many Americans can't stand the current administration, but loves All American Apple Pie US of A, many mainland Chinese can't stand the government and many of its numbskull officials, but it has delivered stability and prosperity for many, such that "its OUR China dammit and no pasty faced hypocrites are going to tell us otherwise". What's more worrying is that despite your vantage point on your high horse your views are just as superficial and you nevertheless failed to see past the surface. Seems like you have learned little on your travels. Must have spent a wee bit too much time sipping lattes at Starbucks when you were in China. So sad. report abuse
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written by Liang1a , April 12, 2008
Willy Lam wrote:
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...it seems unlikely that the Chinese Communist Party leadership will consider flexible measures such as opening talks with the Dalai Lama. -------------------------- How about Bush sitting down and talking with Osama bin Laden? Or better still, invite Osama to Bush's ranch and have a barbecue with iced tea. That should put everybody in a friendly mood and they can talk about all those American folks who got crushed to death in the WTC and have a good laugh. That should be a very "flexible" thing for Bush to do. report abuse
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written by Overseas Tiger , April 12, 2008
J F Lee
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What many Americans and Europeans just don't seem to get or is too lazy to get is that the World and China is CHANGING. VERY FAST. And most Westerners find it VERY scary. Anybody who travels to China regularly cannot help but see the differences in the place, in people's attitude and even in government policies from month to month. And this includes Tibet. Travelling Europeans and Americans want to see the "local culture", well guess what? That changes too, because no matter where you guys go, you still want your burgers and your lattes and your fish and chips and your English breakfast and your croissants. And the Chinese travellers want their rice and the Italians want their pasta. The list goes on. Guess what? The locals too are tired of living in mud huts without central heating and running hot water! Not even for the tourists just so they can enjoy a bit of "local culture". So the Chinese government ceased to control internal movement and people being people, they go where there are jobs and opportunities. Han Chinese are therefore allowed to move to Tibet, Tibetan Chinese too are allowed to move to Shanghai, Korean Chinese are allowed to move to Guangdong and Mongolian Chinese are allowed to move to Szechuan etc. Just like New Yorkers are allowed to move to Wyoming, though I don’t know why you would ever want to, but you get the idea. Anyway, its call supply and demand, free movement of labour, hell you can even call it the all American Dream (or Nightmare for many, just ask your average African Americans and Native Americans). I am sure these are concepts that you as a bone fide gum chewing, weak coffee swigging American should be all too familiar with. And just as many Americans and Europeans cannot cope with the fast changes in the world, what with high oil prices and all, so too are the Chinese Tibetans having trouble with a fast changing China. So hey, welcome to globalisation and the 21 Century matey! report abuse
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 written by worldman , April 12, 2008
China should produce more films and documentaries on how the West once treated their own minorities eg. the American Indians and Negroes by the US, the Jews by the Germans and colonial Asians and Africans by the Germans, French and British. This is because billions of young people in the world simply have no idea how Westerners murdered millions in the name of "civilization". And just like the case with the Japanese, many in the West still deny such heinous crimes committed by their fathers.
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 written by ballsquasher , April 12, 2008
The Chinese had stood up to threats of nuclear attacks by Truman, Kennedy, Khrushchev and Brezhnev over the years and never blinked an eye. So what if Merkel, Sarkozy, Gordon Brown and the like do not attend the Opening Ceremony? Hu and his ministers will simply boycott London in 2012. And after August, the Tibetans who burnt and murdered innocents are going to literally have their balls squashed, which is a most painful eperience which you should never ever try on yourself, even if you are under the influence of drugs
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 written by John Francis Lee , April 12, 2008
Boy, the comments here by Chinese are enlightening and frightening! I thought we Americans were suckers for the juggernaut of jingo, but the Chinese seem to be just as susceptible.
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The Chinese takeover of Tibet seems very real to me. I haven't been to Tibet but folks I know have and report that the ehnic Han are taking over the place. I have been to Xishuangbanna and have seen the Tai city Chiang Rung, Jinghong, and can imagine from that what Lhasa is going through. I am certainly not defending the war criminals in control of my own government, and I am sad that the protesters coming out for the sake of the Tibetans aren't coming out for the Iraqis; rather that the MSM in the States is covering the one and not the other, actually. But in fact the government of China is showing itself to be no different than the criminal regime in the United States. That does not come as a shock to me, but it is disheartening none the less. report abuse
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 written by W.S.Lee of Malaysia , April 12, 2008
Yet another piece of crap from this pseudo-Chinese, albeit dressed in a distorted Chinese face. This author reminds me of another such much hated figure, Melinda Liu of Newsweek-famed(notority?), who is under constant barrages from Chinese, overseas & mainland alike, for her utterly biased/malicious reportings on China.
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All these outrages against China had actually done the Chinese a great favour~Chinese worldwide have never in history been so united on one single issue. We must catalogue all these insults & record who are our real enemies & retaliate strongly & decisively at the appropriate time, just like what we did to the Japanese. Chinese seem to possess long memories. This is a full list of them in the sequence of severity: US/Nato/UK/Japan/France/Germany/Canada/Australia/India/Korea/Israel. Smash them mercilessly when the time comes! May be China & Russia should organise our own Games among ourselves (with our own friendly nations)devoid of our enemies above & see which camp will command a greater audience! Remember, come London 2012 & we shall return them our "favours" in more drastic forms! Let all Chinese mobilise & deeply "remember" 2012! Any takers from our Arab/Argentine/Zimbabwian/others brothers? report abuse
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 written by Go Olympiad; Go Bejing 2008 , April 12, 2008
After all participating countries from all over the world casted their votes, Bejing won the right to host Game 2008. You can bet (free To Bet) homo Princess Charles were on the losing side then, as is now, will lose again.
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 written by Jo , April 12, 2008
Dear Overseas Chinese. I am also a French speaker. (Cher compatriotes chinoise d'outre-mer).
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I know the french mentality very well because I read french journal and have French TV channels at home. Among the western nations the French are the greatest hypocrites in the world. They spend their time denigrating other nation, not only china but other western countries also. The French must be punished. Boycott French Products). Boycottez les produits francais. On va fermer la guele de ces sales francais. Ce ne sont que des porc. Sale traitre, collabo des allemands pendant la derniere guerre. Colonialiste, esclavagiste. Les francais ont le sang dans les mains. report abuse
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written by Brother , April 12, 2008
The protests are just coming from a vocal minority. Once the Olympics are over, this media storm will pass and everything will be back as it was. The world will remember another great Olympics. China wants the Tibetan land, but has'nt completely won over the Tibetans' loyalty. Put some effort into this marriage, win them over with love and respect, not with "re-education" brainwash camps.
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written by Liang1a , April 11, 2008
Part 2 (Continued from prior post.)
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In the end, it is more important to make China strong and independent than to appease and rely on the West. Developing China's own high technologies and internal economy is the only way to make China militarily strong and the Chinese people as prosperous as they can be. And only a militarily strong China can keep the Chinese people secure. As the first dectum of military strategy says: "不侍敵不攻我，但侍我不可攻." (bu shi di bu gong wo, dan shi wo bu ke gong. - Do not depend on the enemy not attacking me, depend on my own unassailability.) Going into the future, trade with the West is a deadend street that will only keep the Chinese poor by keeping them as cheap labor. The Chinese people must remember that labor can only be cheap if the incomes of the workers are low. And low incomes means poverty. Therefore, continuing to globalize under the current unequal conditions will only keep the Chinese poor forever. In the end, the only way to make the Chinese people the richest in the world is to develop the internal economy with the most advanced technologies to make the Chinese people the most productive and hence the richest in the world. And while the West wants to brainwash the Chinese people into thinking that they are inferior and could never independently develop their own economy, I tell the Chinese people that the Chinese-Americans are even richer than the white-Americans. Therefore, it is easy for the Chinese in China to be richer than the Americans in America. All they need is the confidence in themselves and a set of inlightened policies to unleash their initiative and ingenuity to develop their own economy. report abuse
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written by Liang1a , April 11, 2008
Willy Lam wrote:
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There is also evidence that the authorities have been stirring up nationalism – and xenophobia – so as to rally popular support around the “CCP leadership with comrade Hu Jintao as general secretary.” ------------------ Part 1. Frankly, I'd love to see "CCP and comrade Hu" go the way of Qing Dynasty. But Tibet is not an issue of party politics but an issue of Chinese national sovereignty. Tibet has been a part of China since the time of Yuan Dynasty. And Tibet has established close relationship with China ever since the time of Tang Dynasty through intermarriages between the imperial houses. And Tibet will stay a part of China until the Chinese cannot defend it any longer. And I hope that day will never be seen. If the Western people think the Chinese people regard this as an issue with the CCP and Hu, then they are truly ignorant. Tibet is a vital issue of Chinese sovereignty. No matter who rules China, the Chinese sovereignty must be protect against foreign aggression. No Chinese will treat it lightly. To ask the Chinese to give up Tibet is like asking the Americans to give up everaything west of the Mississippi. The Americans will certainly not accept that. Nor will the Chinese. And if the Western people don't know how seriously treat this issue, then they are walking into a dangerous minefield. Even if CCP agreed to give up Tibet, the Chinese people will not stand for it. Therefore, the CCP can only defend Tibet and the Chinese sovereignty as their sacred duty. If the Westerners think that the Chinese people don't care whether Tibet goes independent or not, and that it is only the CCP that is preventing Tibet from becoming independent, then they are big fools. I've always said that there is no basic goodwill in the West for China. The West will always be on the lookout to attack China. The current "globalization" with the West is nothing more than the self-interest of the West to get cheap products from China while they do the economic imperialism in taking over more of China's economic assets. It is the biggest stupidity of Hu and the CCP to allow this insidious economic imperialistic invasion of China under the cover of the WTO and globalization. The CCP is desperately trying to convince the Chinese that the Westereners are "nice" people who truly want to live in peace and harmony with the Chinese; and that they are doing a very good job enhancing the security and prosperity of the Chinese people by "globalizing" with the heretofore misunderstood Westerners. I hope this problem with Tibet is a clear lesson to the Chinese people that the West is like a hungry wolf who will never be satisfied until they have dismembered and devoured China. (To be continued.) report abuse
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 written by chuck ir , April 11, 2008
Just call off the Olympic game, damn it! Just let the world miss the bloody game, if they want to turn it into a political charade. Right from the beginning, even before China got to host the event, the West has been aiming for some sort of gimmicks to get back at China. Along the way, they have been accusing Chinese athletes of cheatings & unfair advantages or whatever excuses they can come up with. China should just let go of pride and absorb the losses and maybe turn the game into Domestic Sports Events or Asian game events. Sports and politics do not mix the West used to proclaim, not unless it suits their motives, of course.
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The best alternative is to cancel the game. China has got more to lose by continuing with the game. Don't let the West hijack it to their best advantage. Use the London Game 2012 to get back at them. There are also separatist movements in Europe- Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Corsica, Basque (Mississippi or New Orleans are also good potentials to stir up troubles) etc. Just give these separatists moral supports now and then turn it against the West in 4 years time. Let them have a bit of their own medicine for a change. Believe me, the game is not worth the hassle. Just give it up! Let them stew! report abuse
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written by OT , April 11, 2008
The demonstrations in Europe and N America might work for Western media consumption and for their feel good factor, but they and the violent riots in Tibet will serve nothing to advance Tibetan autonomy or improve China's human rights issues.
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It not only alienates the Chinese government, but also the growing Chinese middle class and Overseas Chinese that would otherwise have been sympathetic to Tibetan grievance. As with many Asian governments, if you want to change government policies, the best method is to take a non-confrontational and rational approach from within China and by persuading the officials to modify/revise their policies. NGOs that succeed in China in the long-term do not so by aggressively confronting Chinese authorities or by bribing them. Exiled/Overseas Tibetans living and growing up in Europe and the Americas need to tailor their approach less for Western media’s sensationalist tendency and transitory faddish consumption, but instead think more like Asians. They need to look more closely at how Chinese society and its government is changing and tailor their approach accordingly. Unfortunately these demonstrations have not only weakened the DL’s negotiating position, but have also set back religious freedom in China at a time when the Chinese authorities have just started talks with the Vatican. report abuse
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 written by smoking dragon , April 11, 2008
If the shorty Sarkozy doesn't want to come, it is no loss. One more place for the masses. Short people try to make up for their shortness by doing things to attract attention, e.g. marrying a party going,fun type who doesn't mind having nude photos of her doing the rounds, involving his country in more action and deaths in Afganistan, and by threatening to boycott the Games. China must cancel the agreement to buy French Nuclear Stations. Better still, pirate all French goods.
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Given the
revival of a Mao-style mass mobilization in the wake of discoveries of
“underground terrorist cells” in Xinjiang and more signs of unrest in Tibet and
neighboring provinces, it seems unlikely that the Chinese Communist Party
leadership will consider flexible measures such as opening talks with the Dalai
Lama.
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